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Technical Committee Meeting Minutes
Saturday, March 27, 2004
@
Norman P. Murray Community & Senior Center, Room #2
24932 Veterans Way
Mission Viejo, CA 92692

Technical Committee Attendees: Bob Dengler (NO6B)
Howard Brown (KG6GI) - Database Manager
David Tello (KC6ZQR)
Art Pineda (WW6Y)

Guest Attendees:

None

1. The meeting was called to order at 9:15 A.M. by Bob (NO6B) due to the absence of the TC Chairman, Matt (W6KGB)
2. The Technical Committee reviewed the draft meeting minutes of the January 31st, 2004 meeting. After confirming they were correct, Howard (KG6GI) made a motion for approval, seconded by David (KC6ZQR), and passing on a vote of 3-0-0.
3. Continued Business:
   1. 147.210 KN6KM Mt. Otay. Intent to terminate coordination – This item was tabled until the 60 days response period had expired.
   2. 145.280 K6QN Santa Monica. CTCSS access tone (127.3Hz / 3A) not used – response received. With the response, the matter is satisfactorily resolved on motion by Art (WW6Y), seconded by David (KC6ZQR), approved (3-0-0). Matt is requested to send K6QN an e-mail thanking him.
   3. 145.420 WB6NLU Fountain Valley. System observed off-air for extended period – response received (ref 2004-26). With the response, the matter is satisfactorily resolved on motion by Art (WW6Y), seconded by David (KC6ZQR), approved (3-0-0).
   4. 146.745 N6GPP Saddle Peak. Operating out of Coordinated Parameters – This item was tabled until the 60 days response period had expired.
   5. 147.300 WB6FLY Santa Maria – Request for Coordination; RFC tabled due to adjacent-channel issues. Response pending from both parties. Have Matt send a follow-up letter to Eric Lemmon WB6FLY requesting a concurring from W6NO as the Trustee of record on 147.915. Motion by Howard (KG6GI) seconded by David (KC6ZQR), approved (3-0-0)
4. Confirm Final Coordination:
   1. 147.180 W6LAR Redlands – Approved for final coordination. Motion by Howard seconded by Art (WW6Y), approved (3-0-0)
5. Interference Complaints: No new submissions at this time.
6. New RFCs/updates:
   1. KF6ZTY – RFCs for seven frequencies and locations.
      1. 144.820/145.420 - Rancho Palos Verdes (Item 2004-22b) - This is incompatible with co-channel WB6NLU at Newport Beach operating on 144.820/145.420. Coordination request is denied based on motion by David (KC6ZQR), seconded by Art (WW6Y) (3-0-0)
      2. 144.820/145.420 – Contractor’s Point (Item 2004-22c) - This is incompatible with co-channel WB6NLU at Newport Beach operating on 144.820/145.420. Coordination request is denied based on motion by David (KC6ZQR), seconded by Art (WW6Y) (3-0-0)
      3. 144.820/145.420 – Chatsworth Peak (Item 2004-27b) - This is incompatible with co-channel WB6NLU at Newport Beach operating on 144.820/145.420. Coordination request is denied based on motion by David (KC6ZQR), seconded by Art (WW6Y) (3-0-0)
      4. 145.495/144.895 – Sunset Ridge (Item 2004-22d) - This is incompatible with 144.840/145.440 AD6XK on the same site, which is 55 KHz away and inverted. Coordination request is denied based on motion by Art (WW6Y), seconded by David (KC6ZQR) (3-0-0)
      5. 145.495/144.895 - Palos Verdes (Item 2004-22a) – This may be possible with regard to W6AM on 145.480 (Southern CA DX Club). The coordination will be approved subject to the following conditions:
         • Must comply strictly with TASMA technical specifications.
         • Maximum deviation 4.0 KHz deviation.
         • Modulation band pass strictly to specifications.
         • Max power limited to 20 watts.
         This coordination is approved for a nine (9) month test coordination period on motion by Howard (KG6GI), seconded by David (KC6ZQR) (3-0-0)
      6. 147.015/147.615 - Contractor’s Point (Item 2004-27a) – This location is 16 miles from adjacent channel WB6JM at Hollywood Hills operating on 147.600/147.000. The coordination request is denied based on the adjacent channel situation and the relatively short distance (< 25 miles), on motion by Art (WW6Y), seconded by David (KC6ZQR) (3-0-0)
      7. 147.015/147.615 – Chatsworth Peak (Item 2004-27c) – This location is 20 miles from adjacent channel WB6BJM at Hollywood Hills operating on 147.600/147.000. The coordination request is denied based on the adjacent channel situation and the relatively short distance (< 25 miles), on motion by Art (WW6Y), seconded by David (KC6ZQR) (3-0-0)
   2. 147.765 WW6Y Quartzite Mtn. – Request for Coordination. This RFC was withdrawn by WW6Y after consultation with the Committee.
   3. 147.210 W4REY Mt. Otay – Request for Coordination. Item tabled as documentation was unavailable.
7. New Business:
   1. Waiting List:
      1. The following RFC’s can be added to the recently approved TASMA Coordination Waiting List if KF6ZTY so requests:
         1. KF6ZTY Joe Parrino Chatsworth Peak March 3, 2004,
         2. KF6ZTY Joe Parrino Contractor’s Point March 3, 2004
         3. KF6ZTY Joe Parrino Sunset Ridge February 16, 2004
      2. Art (WW6Y) volunteered to maintain the Coordination Waiting List on behalf of the Technical Committee.
   2. Database Anomalies Review:
      Bob (NO6B) agreed to go through prior minutes with respect to the following list of database anomalies and recommend a disposition of each.
      1. 145.200 K6JM Palm Springs – “test coordination review incomplete.”
      2. 145.200 KE6ERW San Diego – test coordination review incomplete.
      3. 145.380 KF6BM Chuckwalla – test coordination review incomplete.
      4. 146.640 WA6FGK Simi Valley – self-testing.
      5. 146.760 KC6ZQR Palmdale – self-testing.
      6. 146.910 KC6RZY Box Canyon Peak – self-testing.
      7. 147.765 WB6ZTW Grant Park – self-testing.
      8. 147.765 AA6WS San Diego – test coordination review incomplete.
      9. 147.990 W6JAM Hi-Pass – self-testing/database error.
   3. Off The Air Systems: The following systems are to receive 60 day letters on motion by Howard (KG6GI), seconded by Art (WW6Y).
      1. 147.150 N6LXX Phelen
      2. 147.180 N6UL Palos Verdes
      3. 147.180 WA6BSC Contractor Point Very weak, may have moved
      4. 147.060 KF6QNJ Chula Vista SOBARS

8. Adjournment:
   The meeting was adjourned at 11:05 on motion by David (KC6ZQR) and seconded by Art (WW6Y).

Respectfully Submitted
Howard G. Brown, KG6GI
Member, Technical Committee

These minutes approved May 22, 2004

Appendix A

Database Anomalies Review:

This appendix documents the results of the review that Bob (NO6B) completed on the database anomalies as well as some additions comments by other members of the Committee. This appendix is not part of the formal minutes of the meeting but is attached hereto for the convenience of the committee.

 

Bob (NO6B) agreed to go through prior minutes with respect to the list of database anomalies shown in the Agenda for the meeting of 27 March 2004 and recommend a disposition of each.

The results of his review are shown below between square brackets (i.e. […]). Bob’s, Matt’s and Alex’s comments are shown with their names underlined (i.e. [Bob - …].

1. 145.200 K6JM Palm Springs – “test coordination review incomplete.”
   [Bob- The only occurrence of K6JM was found in the April 1999 minutes: "TASMA needs to send RFC forms to 145.200. K6JM has moved his repeater. He may be interfering with two uncoordinated repeaters. Karl has sent TASMA forms which have never been returned."]
2. 145.200 KE6ERW San Diego – test coordination review incomplete.
   [Bob- Nothing found.]
3. 145.380 KF6BM Chuckwalla – test coordination review incomplete.
   [Bob- Nothing found.]
4. 146.640 WA6FGK Simi Valley – self-testing.
   [Bob- Nothing found.]
5. 146.760 KC6ZQR Palmdale – self-testing.
   [Bob- Nothing found in regards to 146.76]
6. 146.910 KC6RZY Box Canyon Peak – self-testing.
   [Bob- Nothing found.]
7. 147.765 WB6ZTW Grant Park – self-testing.
   [Bob- Found in the August 2001 minutes:
   "WB6ZTW (147.765-) Ventura. The requested update of the system trustee was agreed on a vote of 4-0 (motion by Howard (KG6GI) and second by Alex (WB6DTR))."]
8. 147.765 AA6WS San Diego – test coordination review incomplete.
   [Bob- Nothing found.]
9. 147.990 W6JAM Hi-Pass – self-testing/database error.
   [Bob- Nothing found.] On a hunch, I looked for N6JAM & found the following: "147.990 N6JAM repeater from Toro Peak to Mount Laguna. Based on the RFC submitted there are no co-channel/adjacent channel issues (isolated system). Test coordination granted for a period of four months, motion by Howard KG6GI, seconded by Alex WB6DTR, passed 4-0. Follow-up at November TC meeting."]

   This may be significant because Hi-pass is (I believe) similar in coverage to Mt. Laguna. On this one I suggest we inquire with Alex for clarification.]

   [Matt - When looking at the entry for Hi-Pass, there were some things that didn't make sense in the contact info areas. If you compare entries 440 & 445, you'll see what I mean. Something was apparently crossed-up somewhere. Pending Alex's clarification, the thing to do is probably to invalidate the Toro Peak entry, re-name & re-fill the Hi-Pass entry with the Mt Laguna information.

   For all of the other items, save 147.765/WB6ZTW, it's my opinion that we should request updated paperwork from each. We can then bestow final coordination if there are no interference issues and the systems are actually on the air.]

   [Alex - We got tired of the annual drive to Toro to replace broken parts, so we moved the repeater to Mount Laguna / Stephenson Peak. Same configuration, etc, just a new location. That would be 147.990- CTCSS 156.7

   There is also a 147.990- repeater (CTCSS 67.0) on Hi-Pass. Hi-Pass is near the Mexican border and the signal is shielded to the north. It has mostly an east / west path. The Hi-Pass coverage is not as good as Laguna. The Hi-Pass location is in far southeast San Diego County near the community of Boulevard. It is south of Interstate 8 about 15 miles west of the San Diego / Imperial county line.]

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