TASMA
Two Meter Spectrum Management Association
358 South Main Street, #90, Orange, CA 92668
Minutes TASMA General Meeting
Saturday, 8 December 2001, 10:00 – 12:00
General Services Building
777 E. Rialto Avenue
San Bernardino, CA 92408
Board Members Present:
Chairman: | Bob Dengler, NO6B |
Vice Chairman: | Pat Finke, KC6ACL |
Secretary: | Howard Brown, KG6GI |
Treasurer: | Jim Fortney, K6IYK |
Member at Large | Ted Fukushima, N6ZZK |
Members Present:
Diana Bingham. KD6ACQ; Miguel Sanchez, KC6BEU; Alex Groza, WB6DTR(3); Baltasar Cervantes, KG6ESC; Salvador Alcala, KG6ESF; Enrique Gonzalez, XE2GUG; Randolph Hammock, KC6HUR; Robert Laag, WA6ISG; Lawrence Anderson, W6LAR; Oscar Portillo, KC6OCV; Juan Barreda, KD6OWR; Harold Van Auken, WB6PTE; Alfonso Torres, KC6PXG; Gary Boskovich, KD6QLT; Miguel Ramirez, NH2R; Ramon Casillas, N3RCA; Ponciano Jara, KE6RLP; Mike Marin, KF6RQV; John Davidson, KC6TFS; Rogerio Gutierrez, KB6TRD; Jeffrey Cain, KQ6UT; Ron Hazard, KC6WGF; Noe Nevarez, AD6WH; Arturo Pineda, WW6Y;
Following Members Were Represented by Absentee Ballot:
Chuck Wood, WD6APP; Cybil Allbright, W6GIC; Marcia McAdams, KE6IRB; James Keck, Jr , N6JIM; James Fish, KB6OUM; John Quinn, K6QN; Emilio Perez, KE6RLO; Joseph Provenza, W6UPN; Eli Aguirre, N6XPG; David Bailey, N6ZUS;
New Members Present:
Aaron Brandt, KD6MHO; Robert Vielma, N6NIK; Isabel Muniz, KB6QAP; Jose Segura, KC6TPF; Ben Sanchez, WH6UC; Jorge Ortiz, KF6VOR;
Voting Chits:
Voting chits were passed out to the members present based on their eligibility to vote.
Record of Meeting:
TASMA Chairman, Bob Dengler called the meeting to order at 10:10 at the San Bernardino General Services Building. The meeting was conducted in accordance with the agenda (Appendix A).
There were 30 members present (including 6 new members) in addition to 10 qualified absentee ballots.
The attendees each introduced themselves to those present.
- Secretary’s Report
– Howard Brown. The August Minutes, as published on the TASMA Web Site, was summarized and, on motion of Jim Fortney, K6IYK, seconded by Harold Van Auken, WB6PTE, was approved without objection.
- Treasurer’s Report
– Jim Fortney. The third quarter report was printed in the last newsletter. Jim reviewed the financial status as of the time of the meeting. He reminded the group that there was not an approved budget this year so Jim reported on his own forecast of expenses.
Jim pointed out that overall membership is down this year. Reviewing the report, Jim made the following points:
Newsletter Expense | $400 over forecast |
Bylaws Expense | $45 under forecast; no major bylaw changes |
Mailing Expense | $100 over forecast due to paying for 19 months for the P O box. |
Liability Insurance Expense | On forecast |
Incorporation Expense | On target; pay every two years |
Tech Committee Expense | $150 over target due to more intensive activity and mailing |
NFCC Expense | No expense this year |
Internet Expense | $346 over forecast due to establishing our own ISP connection for web site, reflector |
Miscellaneous Expense | $102 over forecast |
The bottom analysis shows that TASMA has received $1241 in income against expense of $2685 for a net of $1415 in the red.
Jim pointed out that both the cost of printing and mailing have gone up considerably this year so TASMA should make some adjustments in what it decides to publish next year.
Jim also pointed out that 30 percent new members were needed to maintain financial health whereas we actually attained ten percent this year.
On motion of Jeffrey Cain, KQ6UT, seconded by Lawrence Anderson, W6LAR, the summary numbers of $(1415) and net year end balance of $4148 were accepted without objection.
- Correspondence Summary: The summary of correspondence for the full year quarter is attached (Appendix B) and includes eighty-two membership renewals and applications, sixty-one items of correspondence for the Technical Committee, twenty-five items regarding business operations and thirty-three miscellaneous items for a total of two-hundred-one incoming items of correspondence.
- Committee Reports:
- Internet Services – Jim Fortney reported that all of TASMA’s internet services have been transferred to the new server except for the Reflector which will be moved in the near future. We have over 250 Mb of data in the TC files.
- TASMA Database Maintenance – Randy Hammock, KC6HUR, provided a briefing on the status of the construction of a new database.
He is currently developing the user interface. He has raw data available and will eventually use the 2002 electronic baseline currently under audit.
Randy hopes to eventually have the data as well the forms (e.g. RFC's, Membership Applications) available for submittal on-line through the Web site.
- Spectrum Management - Chairman Dengler reported that there was little activity or interest in the Spectrum Management area. Therefore the Technical Committee will retain this responsibility. Bob asked that anyone interested contact him. Bob hopes that more interest will be expressed next year.
- Technical Committee – As Burt Weiner, Chairman of the Technical Committee (TC) was not present, Bob Dengler provided a verbal report on the TC activities.
Technical Specifications – Bob briefed the members on updated repeater technical specifications (rev D), which have been developed by the Technical Committee (Appendix C). It is the intention of using these specifications to resolve interference complaints. It is not the intention to mandate these standards on all coordinated repeaters except in the case of interference situations. Complaints will be resolved in favor of those repeaters that satisfy these specifications. The Technical Committee at the November meeting approved these specifications. The discussion centered mostly on the parts that were a recommendation versus those that were mandatory specifications. On motion by Jeffrey Cain, KQ6UT, seconded by Gary Boskovich, KD6QLT, the new technical specifications were ratified (20-4-0).
Band Plan – Bob reviewed the approved band plan. He reminded the group that:
- Open Repeaters: Open to all amateurs.
- Closed Repeaters: Open to members of support organization, membership of which open to all amateurs.
- Closed Repeaters: Open to amateurs at the discretion of the repeater owner.
Bob explained the "inverted tertiary" portion of the plan:
Frequency | Low | High |
X | Input | Output |
X+15 kHz | Output | Input |
X+30kHz | Input | Output |
…….. | | |
Bob questioned the use of the term "National Simplex Frequency" for a local usage frequency; 146.520 may be the only such frequency.
A discussion then took place regarding the frequencies listed in the band plan as repeater exceptions. These frequencies are, in effect, clear channels since no new repeaters are to be coordinated to these frequencies.
Bob proposed assuming these are "frequency exceptions" rather than "call sign exceptions" permitting additional repeater to be coordinated to these frequencies. A "straw poll" was conducted with the result that the exceptions should remain as call-sign exceptions and that eventually the frequencies should revert to simplex frequencies or other usage.
- Bylaws Recommendations – Bob presented three recommendations for changes to the Bylaws (Appendix D).
- Article II Section 2 Paragraph b – Qualifications for Officer Nominees
Bob asked for a motion to include a vote on item 1 at the April meeting. The motion was made by Jim Fortney (K6IYK), seconded by Pat Finke KC6ACL.
- Article II, Section 9 – Assign Duties to Board Member-At-Large.
After a discussion, the recommendation failed to obtain a motion for inclusion at the April meeting.
- Article IV, Section I, Paragraph 6 – Define Quorum for TASMA Meetings.
After a discussion, it was agreed to alter the proposed change to reflect the quorum from "75%" to a "majority" for Board and committee meetings. Bob asked for a motion to include a vote on item 3 at the April meeting. The motion was made by Lawrence Anderson, W6LAR and seconded by Miguel Ramirez (NH2R)
- Election of Board Members:
- Election of 2002 Board Members: The people shown in the following table were nominated for the 2002 Board positions. The position of Chairman, Vice Chairman and Member at Large were uncontested. There was no nomination for the position of Secretary. After casting of ballots (both present and absentee, Jim Fortney was elected Treasurer for 2002.
Position | Nominee | 2002 Board |
Chairman: | Bob Dengler, NO6B | X |
Vice Chairman: | Pat Finke, KC6ACL | X |
Secretary: | No nominee | |
Treasurer: | Jim Fortney, K6IYK | X |
| | Eli Aguirre, N6XPG | |
Member at Large: | Ted Fukushima, N6ZZK | X |
- Motion to act on issue as stated on bottom of Absentee Ballot. This action is to make "Standards" approved earlier "mandatory. On motion by Lawrence Anderson, W6LAR, seconded by Jeffrey Cain, KQ6UT, approved on a vote of 24 for, 6 opposed.
- Regarding the position of Secretary, John Davidson (KC6TFS) proposed and Diana Bingham. KD6ACQ seconded, to suspend the Bylaws and to grant the Chairman the responsibility to appoint the Secretary for 2002. This required a 2/3 affirmative vote. The motion passed ( > 24 of 31 members present).
- New Business –
None proposed.
- Next Meeting
– The next general meeting of TASMA is scheduled for 13 April 2001. The tentative location will be in Ventura Area but that is subject to change.
- Adjournment
– The meeting was adjourned at 13:18.
- Demonstration -
Following adjournment of the meeting, Jeff Cain, KQ6UY, and the San Bernardino County representatives who hosted the meeting provided a tour of the County Mobile Communications Trailer, a very well designed and impressive vehicle.
Howard G. Brown (KG6GI)
Secretary
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Appendix A - Agenda
TASMA
Two Meter Spectrum Management Association
358 South Main Street, #90, Orange, CA 92668
General Meeting Agenda
8 December 2001, 10:00 – 12:00
General Services Building
777 E. Rialto Avenue
San Bernardino, CA 92408
TASMA's final meeting of 2001 will take place on Saturday morning, December 8th at the General Services Building for the County of San Bernardino, located at 777 E. Rialto Avenue, San Bernardino, 92408 - Driving Instructions:
Take 215 north to San Bernardino; exit at West 2nd Street and proceed east to N. Waterman Avenue (approx. 11 blocks); turn south (right) on Waterman Avenue to East Rialto Avenue (approx. 2 blocks); turn east (left) on Rialto Ave. and proceed two blocks to the General Services Building.
Coordinates = N 34.10146, W 117.26850
The W6LAR repeater at 147.975- (PL = 156.7 Hz) will be monitored for assistance.

Please arrive at 9:30 AM to take care of renewing your membership and avoid disrupting the meeting. The meeting will start promptly at 10:00.
Agenda:
- Registration
- Call to order
- Introductions
- Approval of previous minutes
- Treasurer's report
- Correspondence Summary
- Report on Updated Internet Services
- Committee Reports:
- Technical:
- Revised Technical Specifications
- Band Plan Changes & Use of Repeater Pair Exceptions For New Repeaters
- Revised Notification Procedures
- Bylaws Rewrite
- Input from general membership for Bylaws Rewrite Committee
- Spectrum Management Committee
- TASMA database
- Election of Officers
- New business
- Next meeting date
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Appendix B – Summary of Correspondence (Y-T-D)
Incoming correspondence (201)
Membership (82)
- 15 Membership applications
- 1 Membership supplementary information
- 59 Membership renewals/updates
- 2 Delegate applications
- 5 Delegate renewals/updates
Technical Committee (61)
- 1 Application For Technical Committee
- 1 ARRL Directory
- 8 RFC – applications
- 4 RFC – application, supplemental data
- 16 RFC –update
- 8 Letters confirming sale or transfer of repeater
- 1 Advise of final coordination
- 1 Letter requesting extension of test period
- 1 Interference claim
- 1 Interference follow-up letter
- 1 Request for coordination documentation
- 1 Letter requesting coordination criteria
- 1 Letter of advise from Arizona RCA
- 10 Certified letter receipt
- 6 Undeliverable letter returns
Business Operations (25)
- 2 ARRL letters to treasurer
- 1 Payment from ARRL for Repeater Directory data
- 1 Insurance invoice/policy
- 2 Letter returns
- 2 Invoice & receipt for mail services
- 2 Web renewal notices
- 1 Invoice for network services
- 1 Domain name renewal advise
- 12 Bank statements
Other (33)
- 7 Absentee Ballots
- 1 FOIA request (copy) from FCC
- 5 Newsletter returns
- 14 Newsletters
- 6 Commercial mail
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Appendix C – Updated Technical Specifications
TASMA Technical Specifications and Recommendations
Adopted 12/8/2001
The purpose of these specifications is to provide guidance to the TASMA technical committee in the issuance of new coordinations and in the resolution of interference problems reported to the committee. In addition the TASMA technical committee recommends these specifications to all 2-meter repeater owners in order to prevent interference situations:
TASMA recommendations for repeater operation:
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In addition, the TASMA technical committee recommends the following practices in order to minimize interference and maximize the utility of 2-meter repeaters:
- All repeaters located at "comm sites" (shared commercial or government communications facilities) should utilize circulators and narrow band-pass (i.e. cavity) filtering on the transmitter.
- Maximum receiver desensitization caused solely by keying of the transmitter should be no more than 1 dB.
- Where not specifically a condition of coordination of an existing fully-coordinated repeater, use of CTCSS access is highly encouraged (all new coordinations require CTCSS access). An alternative to normal CTCSS access for carrier squelch systems not wishing to prevent non CTCSS-equipped users from using the repeater is to set the carrier squelch of the repeater receiver such that only strong signals open the squelch, then use the CTCSS decoder to "pull" the carrier squelch setting down to threshold, or use "OR" squelch (either carrier squelch or CTCSS decoding will open the repeater). This latter method is implemented in several currently available repeater controllers as access mode "4".
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Appendix D – Bylaws Review – Chairman’s Recommendation
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